The Witch of Pungo

@rsander051010, et al. “Grace Sherwood Statue, Namesake of Witchduck Rd.” Instagram, www.instagram.com/explore/locations/1009857865/grace-sherwood-statue-namesake-of-witchduck-rd/?img_index=1.

Burns, Preston, et al. “Grace Sherwood Statue.” Google Reviews, g.co/kgs/VwY3SjZ. Accessed 1 Mar. 2024.

Gambony, Gina. “Open Channel: The Legacy of Grace Sherwood, the Alleged ‘Witch of Pungo.’” WHRO.Org, 28 Oct. 2021, whro.org/radio/23942-the-legacy-of-grace-sherwood-the-alleged-witch-of-pungo.

“Grace Sherwood.” Wikipedia, Wikimedia Foundation, 30 Dec. 2023, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Sherwood#.

Matteson, T H. “The Examination of a Witch (Painting).” Wikipedia, Peabody Essex Museum , 4 Sept. 2023, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Examination_of_a_Witch_(painting).

“Virginia Historical and Philosophical Society .” Political Arena, 25 June 1833, p. Page 2.

“Virginia Historical and Philosophical Society .” Virginia Free Press, 11 July 1833, p. Page 1.

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Hello listeners, and welcome

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to Elisha’s Eerie History.

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[Song “Elisha’s Eerie History” by Sydney followed by drum break.]

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Today

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I have a special guest
and friend of the pod.

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Miss Brooke Bosiger.

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Hello to everybody

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Thank you for coming Brooke.

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To set the scene a little bit.

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She’s in a beautiful purple shirt.

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It’s got some red flowers on it.

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Roses, baby.

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Roses.

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My favorite flower. Gorge. It’s so good.

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There’s also a rose cat tree

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tulip maybe? Some type of floral behind

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We’ll call it a rose for now, because, again,
favorite roses on the table.

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Thank you. I didn’t even like — it all connects.

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That rose on the skull — it all connects.

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It’s all connecting.

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If you’re not watching and only listening,
we have some beautiful pumpkins

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on the table there’s a tapestry behind us of,
like, the woods.

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It’s giving very maximalism,
and it’s spooky vibes — Spooky

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And the best décor
I think we’ve had on the pod.

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There’s five pumpkins.

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Each of these were stolen.

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All of them from where?

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So this one was outside of a restaurant.

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This one was inside a restaurant.

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These were at Texas Roadhouse.

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This one was from a friend’s house.

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This one also was from my friend’s house.

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Okay.

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Are you like a serial? Yes.

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I’ve stolen from a restaurant.

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I steal pumpkins.

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I’ve stolen a plate from a restaurant.

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I worked at because, like, I brought,
like, cupcakes home on it or something.

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That was an accident.

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It was an accident.

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And then I have definitely taken, like,
the Ketchup containers.

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Yeah, No,
these pumpkins are stolen deliberately.

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I stole pumpkins,
and it only happens for me to drink.

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Fun fact, but a spooky fact indeed.

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So interesting.

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Yeah.

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Just wanted to let everybody know,
because I take much pride.

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And for those that are watching
or listening,

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if you think that a pumpkin
was stolen from your place, it wasn’t me.

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She is innocent
until proven guilty.

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Yeah. You can’t claim of
this is your pumpkin.

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You don’t know.
You don’t remember it’s fine?

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They don’t know? No.

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And speaking of innocent until proven guilty,

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this is a great transition
into our topic today.

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Today, we’re going to be talking about
Grace Sherwood.

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What have you heard of Grace
Sherwood, Brooke?

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I’ve lived on Sheerbrook,
but I’ve never heard of Grace.

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Sheerwood. Okay. So, Grace Sheerwood.

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What is the last convicted person

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of witchcraft in Virginia?

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What year?

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She was convicted of witchcraft

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in 1698, that was the last one.

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my God.

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That would have been like

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the 1800s or something, because everybody
wants to peg a woman as a witch.

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Right? True. So true.

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my gosh. Yeah.

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So her house was knocked
down in the early 2000s,

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and it was apparently lasted that long,
but apparently wasn’t in good repair,

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so they knocked it down.

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There is a plantation,

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the Ferris plantation,
which is where her trials were held.

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Supposedly, her spirit is at the Ferris
plantation. Are there

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sights of her? Noises? People claim.

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There have been sightings.

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People also claim she was buried
somewhere on that plantation.

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Or they claim
she was buried on her own property.

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Either way,
she does not have a marked burial.

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So they say in the plantation,
over a specific tree,

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you can see her ghost at certain times.

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What did she look like?

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Is there like, an image?

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Yeah. That I can see.

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I just want to see you know,
I have a version and vision

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in my head
to see how hot this bitch actually is.

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Well, I do want to say there’s no pictures
or paintings

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of when she was alive
that are still in existence.

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the statue, because she was like a witch.

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So any record of a lot of what you saw
drawn by, especially if she was in court

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that many times they still had like people
drawing people in court at even at that time.

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And if not, don’t say, there’s
no proof of what she looked like.

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But there is some art and speculation.

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So this is the statue? Yes.

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So to give the viewers
that are only listening, the statue is.

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Is that a raccoon?

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It’s a raccoon.

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it is a raccoon. Why is there a raccoon?

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There is a raccoon next to her.

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I think it’s because she it
I don’t really know

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because then that none of the history
has a lot to do with the raccoon.

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And when you read the description of it,

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the raccoon is just kind of like
they’re part of the lore.

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Ah, she’s like, Snow White.

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Yeah, she didn’t sing and little
animal to her because she’s a witch.

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And Snow White’s a witch, I guess.

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Yeah, she’s going Rosemary in her thing.

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She’s holding a sack
and it looks like it’s full of herbs

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which follows,
You know, what she was all about?

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People in this photo
have put between her hands

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actual living, beautiful flowers,
which is lovely.

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I was going to say
people have apparently adorned it

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with money and flowers
and give her a lot of respect.

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Her hair, though, in this.

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okay. It looks longer in the back.

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See in this honestly is giving Eleanor.

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It’s like a Eleanor Roosevelt for sure.

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Like the face and the hair.

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Yeah, it’s really giving that.

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I feel like it’s so funny how we have
objectified women as witches to think

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that they have the long, scraggly hair
and a long, scraggly nails and sunk in eyes.

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And, you know, old and gross.

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And she looks very elegant.
She looks very elegant.

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Elegant.
Let’s get into the Google reviews.

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4.7 out of five stars, hot, hot

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and 83 reviews in total.

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Preston Burns, he says located

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and north, Witchduck road
in front of the Sentara hospital.

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I find this beautiful historical sculpture
using the Atlas Obscura app.

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Otherwise I would have driven right
past it.

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It isn’t easy to see from the road at all.

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There is a statue of the last woman
convicted of witchcraft in Prince

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Anne County and Virginia’s only person
convicted with a trial by water.

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She was tried and convicted
and then imprisoned nearby.

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I’m pleased that this history of past
injustice was not forgotten, and I believe

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that past wrongs need to be acknowledged
instead of whitewashed our hidden worth.

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Amen.

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This guy, like, kind of summarized a lot.

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He did know he did a good job.

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I’m excited to hear more about the trial
by water.

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Yes, that sounded interesting.

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Yes, she is the as you said it.

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She’s the only person to be trial by water
in Virginia.

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So sexy of her.

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I love water.

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And so do you. Cancer, Pisces,
Water signs.

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It’s together. It’s connected.

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I’m going to-

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You’re going to love her.

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You’re going to love her for a different reason. Grace. Grace.

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Sounds like my past life.

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Maybe trial by water.

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Give it. Yeah, Give it to me. Let’s go.

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Let’s do it.

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This is a great review, too. Okay.

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This person is called Our Strange Reality.

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She gave it five stars, and she said Grace
Sherwood deserves no less than to become

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a bronze idol overlooking the land where

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her futile witch trial transpired.

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Futile witch trial. Love it.

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So good. A woman ahead of her time.

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Grace was the charmed survival
of the local shrewish colonial

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women and their jealousy inspired
claims of witchcraft.

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May her spirit blissfully enjoy the
afterlife as a local legend loved by many.

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She had a hard on for sure.

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This guy’s name is Anje Pillai.

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Or or Anje Pillai.

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Sorry if we mispronounce.

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You’re doing this.

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Go on. 11 reviews.

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No photos.

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Yeah.

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Mysterious pictures of a cat
as the profile picture.

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wow. That’s amazing.

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And he says, I have loved this statue

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ever since I learned the story
of the Witch of Pungo.

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A nurse, mother and animal lover.

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I wish I could give her a big hug.

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Thank you.

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To Tim Kaine for a posthumous Pardon.

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And thank you Sentara
for honoring her with this site.

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I’ll carry your basket for you now,

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Grace Sherwood.

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I’m excited. Yeah.

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I need to hear more about all this.

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Grace Sherwood.

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There’s not a lot of lasting history.

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As I said, this is in the 1600s, so
not a lot of primary sources Still exist.

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Unfortunately, because of that,

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a lot of this is verbal legend.

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But we do have records
of some of her convictions.

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These can be viewed in the

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political arena newspaper In 1833,

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the Virginia Free Press in 1833,
and the W.H.

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R.O. Public Radio.

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They have a segment on this in 2021.

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Did you Say WHRO? Whro. Whro.

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that’s what I that’s what I read.

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I read whore I read whore

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not excuse me, not whore.

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The Old Donation

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Episcopal Church
also had some stuff I pulled for this.

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I will say none of
these are primary sources, so to speak.

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The closest are the first two newspapers.

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So as most history things go,
when you’re a bad person

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in the eyes of history,
they preserve a lot of history from you.

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So they just erase it-

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all history is who saw it and who said it

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right, who side of the story wins essentially. Absolutely.

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Let’s get philosophical for a second.

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Yeah, we all we always
we always get this way.

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Yeah. Sorry.

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I mean, I just think about the deeper
meaning you guys should too,

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if you’re listening and watching.

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So tell me

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what is Grace Sherwood all about. Yes.

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So, Grace Sherwood. Well,

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let me flip my paper.

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Perfect Grace Sherwood

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was born in 1660 and she was born

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in an area called Pungo.

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Pungo is now what we consider
southeast Virginia.

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So the east coast of Virginia, towards
the south.

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she grew up in a middle class family

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and they owned over 100 acres of farmland.

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And she was educated.

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And because of that, not a lot of

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people were educated in this time,
especially women, especially women.

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She was a controversial character.

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so where would you say
Pungo would be located?

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In Virginia. Now.

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So roughly, I guess I would say it’s maybe

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like south of Williamsburg
but specifically.

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It’s like really on the coast.

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Like I think they lived like

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basically on the beach,
kind of it really far over there.

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She overlooks like the beach area.

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Excellent. Hot again.

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Yeah. Go off. Ms. Sherwood.

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She was a herbalist.

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Like she healed people with plants.

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She was a midwife.

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She delivered children of course they thought she was a witch.

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Yes. those were her–

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And she was also a farmer.

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So as we know in like history,

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women
who deal with growing herbs was weird

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at this time it was like you
to grow food for sustenance.

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But she was growing to
heal people, right?

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And she was a midwife.

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So she was like,
you know, helping deliver babies.

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And this kind of bites her in the foot
later.

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So, yeah, we already see the set up
for how she could be a witch.

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She’s an educated woman
who dabbles with medicine

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and delivers
babies, send her to the church.

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She knows too much! Basically!
Get rid of her! Stone her!

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She had a water death, drown her
if she drowns.

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And she’s human

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doesn’t drown, then she.

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She’s a witch and we must kill her again.

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so she got

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married to John Sheerwood.

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And her father gave them 50 acres.

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I said he owned a lot of land.

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Gave it to them, and they built a house
and they built a farm.

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She lived with their husband,
her dowry, had three sons

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together, her and her husband.

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So during her life,

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she was accused of a lot of different
things.

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Her first issue with society

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was she wore trousers when she worked
on the farm instead of a dress.

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And most poor farm women wore a dress.

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Even when working on the farm,
she chose to wear trousers.

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It was also Supposedly
she was very beautiful

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and it made women

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jealous because she was a woman
with property.

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She was beautiful
and she went against the curve.

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She was like, I see.
She was like a feminist in life.

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She did her own gain.

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I thought they were jealous because
they were like, “I want to wear trousers”

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maybe that too.

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Then wear them
Gosh I hate the rules of society.

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Yeah.

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So she made a lot of women
jealous and even sexier.

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She is this. Yeah, gorgeous.

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And at the time,
only five women in Virginia owned property.

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And she was one of those five women.

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Oh wow!

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yeah, that is interesting.

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Yeah. She So, yeah, she’s a threat.

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She’s a powerhouse.

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She’s a huge threat to people.
they didn’t.

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And especially the poor working class

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because she was born into the middle class
by her husband was pretty poor.

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So she lived more in the working class.

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But later in her life,
her first accusation

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was by Richard Cappy in 1687.

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Dick. Cappy.

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Dick.

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Yeah, Dick.

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Dick is right because he’s the first
accuser, first accused, so fitting, go on.

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So he accuses her
of putting a spell on his bull.

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And his bull ends up dying.

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Yeah.

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They go to court, unlike in Salem,
which was a puritan society

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in Virginia was more like People

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were more aware of Hoodoo culture,

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which is black and indigenous,
African and indigenous.

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Yeah, religious culture mixing

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with Christianity
and instead of the voodoo.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think it’s less
it’s less puritan, it’s less like Quaker.

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It’s like people who are in the church
do not also run the court system.

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They’re a little bit more separated here
in Virginia at this time.

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So because of that, when they go to court,
the people are like,

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we are time for a witchcraft trial
like this is like bullshit.

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There’s no evidence.

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And then she countersue is for slander.

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And they’re like, No,
because she’s a threat.

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So they’re like,

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We’re not going to take your countersuit
for slander and everything’s dissolved.

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second case is in 1698

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and this is where John Gisbry

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and he claims she put a spell on his hogs
and they died.

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And then his cotton field,
which also fails.

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Yes. These are a lot of jealous farmers

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because she was a witch
so she can make her crops.

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She knew how to tend the land.

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She knew how to turn the animals
out of town

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and keep all those men or just pissed.

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And they saw that their stuff was dying

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and they were like she cursed me.

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Yeah, you know.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they’re looking at her
and they’re like, well, God bless her.

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Yeah. And she’s a woman and she’s pretty.

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And I have a small dick

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and so therefore I’m pissed
and she needs to go underwater now.

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I mean, most witches were wronged,
you know, almost all of them.

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Although I do believe in some witchcraft
and it makes life.

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Kind of spicy and exciting

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But even if they did practice
any type of witchcraft,

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I don’t believe that they deserved
any any repercussions at all.

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They would have saved the world.

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they are using all the herbs or healing.

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Maybe knew
maybe even how the psyche worked.

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They sort of elevated us,
but we still have them around by now.

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my mom.

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Your mom?

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She uses all natural substances,
all natural.

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I mean, she’s just sent me a whole face

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care routine
that was all organic, all natural hue.

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And she will make all these concoctions
that are so interesting.

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So my dad started calling her a witch
because her hair got long and, you know,

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she’s starting to get older,
so it’s like some pepper and,

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so say like, yes I am

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Sure thing.

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She just knows how to use these herbs.

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You know, our skin looks amazing.

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Still at almost 60. So.

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And we’re white, you know,
we can’t hide the wrinkles at all.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, there we go.

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Love.

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Her third accusation is in 1698
by Elizabeth Barnes,

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This accusation was
that Grace turned into a cat,

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apparently went in this woman’s house
and whipped her in there as a cat.

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As a cat? She-

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Yeah.

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She as a cat whipped this woman supposedly
with a with a whip,

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like with an actual long piece of leather
or a switch or something.

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The recorded history does not say what
she used to whip her

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as a cat, but as a cat. Yes.

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She supposedly Grace Sherwood supposedly
so the cat suddenly had like a grasp on-

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Yes. Whatever.

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We’ll say a piece of maybe leather
or piece of something from the barn

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and whipped her. Yes. Repeatedly.

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Yes. And I guess it hurt.

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Yeah. From the from a cat.

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Correct. Okay go on.

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I know.

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It sounds.

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So I’m glad she said it like that,
because when they brought this to court,

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you know what happened?

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They said, what the hell? Yeah.

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And it was obviously slander dissolved.

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So she
she countered, sued Elizabeth for slander.

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Yeah. The court was like,
No, we don’t want to hear it.

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This is her third accusation.

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And at this point, Grace
is having a rough time

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because she’s been paying all these court
fees.

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what about her husband.

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Well, he’s helping,
but they only have 50 acres of land

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and she’s married downward classwise.

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So I’ve seen and she’s not because they
don’t want to hear her slander lawsuit.

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She’s not getting any reimbursement
for going to court all these times.

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So she’s going to court and she’s
losing money by getting sued a lot.

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And they’re not letting her countersue
for slander

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because they know like they just they’re
like, well, you’re you’re a threat to us.

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You’re a woman. So, like, whatever.

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I’m surprised they even had countersue
back in the 1600s.

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Well, I don’t think that’s what they well,
I don’t know if that’s

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what they called it, but essentially
she was suing back for slander.

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I’m still surprised
that they even let people do that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Which I guess is good
that she was given the opportunity.

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But it doesn’t matter
because they didn’t take her seriously.

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sure.

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So anyways, all of this happens

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and then the final straw

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is on January 3rd, 1706.

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This is a couple of years later
a woman named

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Elizabeth Hill accuses
Grace of hexing her

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and being the reason
she has a miscarriage.

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no. yeah.

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that’s awful.

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Yes. And obviously,
we could see kind of how this manifested.

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It’s because this woman was a midwife.

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So people are assuming

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She has a lot of knowledge in this regard
and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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my God. Yeah.

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Awful. Yeah. Screw Elizabeth.

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Meet me outside

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by the dumpsters, basically.

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and on top of all, for Elizabeth.

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Sorry, she lost that stuff.

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Yeah, I mean, she’s going.

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That’s not.

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Yeah, I on top of all this, this
the woman on the third,

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the third lawsuit Mrs. Barns,
she is the head juror on this jury.

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No. Yeah.

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So the the word they used in the history
was she was the foremen of the jury.

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It was an all female jury because
apparently women can only do witchcraft.

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So you have to be convicted
by other women.

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So So it was an all female jury

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and the manger was the person
who sued her.

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And 1698, Miss Barnes for being a witch.

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So they didn’t like stop it being like,
this is a conflict of interest.

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They like, let that happen.

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And so our girl, Grace goes to court,
they strip her naked.

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They’ve done this
for the past three trials, too.

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But the strip her naked and the all
the women inspect her body for witch’s marks.

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Yes, which could be right.

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Yeah.

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It’s could be like a blemish or birthmark

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or something resembling something,
just something out of the ordinary

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Actually,

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if you have something weird on your skin,
then that’s the sign of a witch.

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Would you be a witch?

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Did you have something weird on your
stand when you were born?

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I don’t think so.

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I’m got a mole and it was really big,
but I don’t think that they would say

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it’s not in like a weird shape.

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It’s like an oval. Did it go away?

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I had it removed.

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They thought it was cancerous.

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That’s why I have a little scar on my back
and it’s a little caterpillar looking.

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I don’t think well,
I mean, I’m a pretty freckly

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and Molly person, but when I was born,
I don’t think I had any major.

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Yeah, that’s a major mark.

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But I’m curious as to think is
what was a certain mark

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that they would convict
someone like back for witchcraft.

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Mark Yeah. You know what I mean?

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If it was a cross, it’s
another sign of our Lord and Savior.

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Jesus or

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No, no, I mean, you know.

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So how do you,
how can you tell the difference

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if it’s like a mark on your skin?

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Well, there’s the thing.

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It’s up to like a jury of your peers
who are who all hate you.

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This is so unfair.

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Yeah.

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okay.

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Shouldn’t even have that much money
at this point in time. Right.

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But she was doing better off
obviously, than some people.

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Yeah.

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Than the man that was losing all their
crops and animals and blamed it on her.

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Yeah. One girl lost her baby.

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Everyone loses something.

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They’re blaming it on frickin Grace,
you know. Yeah.

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I lost my shoe
and I think Grace swallowed it, basically.

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all of that happened

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the women search her body
and they cannot verify that she’s a witch.

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So She volunteered and was like,
let me be dunked.

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Which is when they take you to a river
or body of water.

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What they said earlier was right? Yes.

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So the okay, I saw that in the movie.

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So they like try to
so if you drown, then you’re human.

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But if you don’t drown,
you’re you’re suspected of witchcraft

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and therefore they kill you anyway
because you’re a witch.

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my gosh. I’m so happy
I was right. Yes. Okay.

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There is speculation.

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There were like three different times
they dumped her.

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Only record
is that they tied a Bible around her neck.

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And they in there, they I think they tie.

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You’re like big toe to like your thumb
or something across like your right

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big toe to your left foot.

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my God. trying to do right
now, it’s late.

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It’s weird. So weird.

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And then they put you in a bag
and then they take the whole body

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or just your face, I think full body.

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And they take you to the water
and then they drop you in

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in as in the said,
you think you’re innocent and you drown,

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but you get to be buried
on religious property.

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And if you’re not,
if you float and save yourself only,

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Only witches float because the idea was
water is pure, witches is are bad.

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If you float, it’s because the water
can’t mix with your lack of purity.

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So you have to float.

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really? Yes.

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Yes. Yeah.

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I thought it was just like, simple,
like magical powers.

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Well, a little bit, but mostly it’s like.

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I mean, it is like magical powers,
but it’s also like they see water as pure

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Yeah. So interesting.

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I never heard something like,
Yeah, well, I think it’s really.

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It’s like baptism.

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you’re like, washed in the Body

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my gosh.

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yeah. Just like the roses. Yeah.

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So miraculously she is
gets out of the bag, gets out of her

00;26;21;29 – 00;26;26;06
restraints and swims to the surface
and makes it out alive.

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It’s so hard they were like, okay, well,
she survived, which she has to be a witch.

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Witch.

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She gets put in jail for seven years after,
No , they find her guilty.

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Her husband died like before this trail
for five years before this trial.

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So she was a widow. And she is a widow.
She’s a widow.

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So it was also bizarre
because she hadn’t remarried,

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which is weird for women at the time,
and her father had died.

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So all of her father’s land,
the acres, tons of acres I told you about,

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she also had at this time,
she was a big ol’ threat

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Yeah.

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She’s finally released in 1714

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and the reason they believe
she was released in this year

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is she paid back
all the taxes on her property

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she had not paid,
so she owed taxes while she was in jail

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and the government
had seized her property.

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And there was something
that hasn’t changed much I guess

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And when she got out of jail,

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she paid back her taxes immediately
and like got her property back.

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It was like back on top.

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And it the story goes from there.

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She, like, really never left her property
and she stayed to herself

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and she died in 1740 on her property.

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How old was she? Do you know?

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Uh, was born in 1667
she was 80 years old.

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Okay. At least she lives a longer life.

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I thought they were going to kill her after that trial.

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Well, apparently when you’re a witch.

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Okay so all the tests to see
if you’re a witch could kill you.

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But if you are a witch, all that happens
is you go to jail or get banished.

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So that’s what I thought
was going to happen to her.

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I’m so happy.

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I mean, it’s great that she lives on 80.

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Yeah, well,
after being accused so many times and,

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you know, tried so many times
and she still sustained a life till 80.

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I mean, after her husband,
after all that so

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strong ass bitch right there.

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Yeah.

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She was the last person
to be convicted of witchcraft in Virginia

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It didn’t happen a lot in Virginia,
but yeah, surprising.

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We’re like backwoods and we have a lot of.

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Yeah.

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What’s the is
what from what I’m reading on this podcast

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and through our research Virginia
was not as I mean it was religious.

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We had Bible Belt communities
and stuff like that, but overall

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it was less religious
than other parts of America at the time.

00;28;49;20 – 00;28;52;06
AH what It’s going to be America
at the time.

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And so interesting though,
because going to a story with witchcraft

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and my family, it’s not so much on
my mom’s side or my dad’s side.

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His granny had a lot of stories
about a witch that lives, you know,

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they lived in Virginia
and this was back in Lynchburg.

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No, no, no.

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She lived in like more Amherst area. Okay.

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And she was like a witchy area.

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It is.

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It’s like really
there’s a ton of backwoods now.

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You know, obviously,

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everywhere is being converted into,
you know, a lot of apartments or whatever.

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But back in the this was in, gosh,

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the thirties, I’d say, okay, 1930s, okay.

00;29;33;22 – 00;29;37;04
When my great grandmother,

00;29;37;04 – 00;29;40;24
my dad’s grandmother was young,
she was about like seven.

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And they lived across
from what they called was a witch.

00;29;45;14 – 00;29;49;18
And it’s exactly like Grace Sherwood
what she had the herbs

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people came to her
for loads of different illnesses.

00;29;53;10 – 00;29;54;02
wow.

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Women who were pregnant even, you know,
like, what can I do to ease this?

00;29;58;14 – 00;30;00;00
What can I do to ease that?

00;30;00;00 – 00;30;02;23
So, you know,
kind of like the midwife in a way.

00;30;02;23 – 00;30;06;17
my great grandmother, my dad’s
granny told him that there was a story

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where she was playing
with, like a few of these boys,

00;30;08;21 – 00;30;12;16
the witch lives like four blocks down
a certain okay.

00;30;12;23 – 00;30;15;29
were talking about her and they were like,
Well, let’s go visit her.

00;30;16;07 – 00;30;19;02
Let’s see if she’s really a witch,
you know?

00;30;19;02 – 00;30;22;22
And we, you know, we just think
that she’s making concoctions.

00;30;22;22 – 00;30;24;28
She’s not really a witch,
so let’s go test her.

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Well,
you know, young boys, 12 or something.

00;30;28;13 – 00;30;30;06
Yeah, absolutely.

00;30;30;06 – 00;30;33;25
And so she was like, okay, fine,
but I’m not going to do anything.

00;30;34;01 – 00;30;37;15
You know, she she knew better because
she had heard from probably like her,

00;30;38;03 – 00;30;39;28
her parents, my great grandparents.

00;30;39;28 – 00;30;42;01
Like, don’t mess up, girl.

00;30;42;01 – 00;30;43;22
Yeah, like, don’t.

00;30;43;22 – 00;30;48;12
so I went down
and my father told me that once

00;30;48;12 – 00;30;52;22
they reached her house,
she had a house on a small hill.

00;30;53;03 – 00;30;56;08
And there were these concrete steps
that were there

00;30;56;08 – 00;30;59;14
leading up to the house
so you couldn’t see anything.

00;30;59;14 – 00;31;03;08
But like the top of the door when you’re
down there looking at the house.

00;31;03;12 – 00;31;04;21
Right.

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And so they come out.

00;31;06;21 – 00;31;09;18
So they’re standing at the steps. Yes.

00;31;09;18 – 00;31;11;21
At the bottom of the steps over.

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And it’s kind of going up a hill

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so they can’t see the front door
except for the top.

00;31;16;05 – 00;31;17;26
Okay. So these are steep.

00;31;17;26 – 00;31;19;27
Yes, very steep stats.

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And so they’re looking up
and they’re laughing and making noise.

00;31;23;28 – 00;31;27;03
And no, you go
now you go and you go knock on her door.

00;31;27;09 – 00;31;32;13
So while they’re standing outside,
one of the kids had brought a broom

00;31;32;23 – 00;31;36;09
and they had heard from
their grandparents, great grandparents.

00;31;36;18 – 00;31;40;09
If you put a broom in front of witch
she is not able

00;31;40;09 – 00;31;43;24
to step over it,
someone goes and knocks on her door.

00;31;44;03 – 00;31;48;03
I don’t know what who it was
because my granny, my great grandmother

00;31;48;17 – 00;31;52;23
was with like five different people
and, you know, neighborhood kids.

00;31;52;24 – 00;31;54;14
Yeah. there was no answer.

00;31;54;14 – 00;31;57;05
And then they come down,
they’re still in front of her house

00;31;57;05 – 00;31;59;17
and they’re making a ruckus
and laughing and playing.

00;31;59;17 – 00;32;04;03
And then the witch supposedly comes out
and she’s like,

00;32;04;26 – 00;32;07;13
Who knocked on my door really loud?

00;32;07;13 – 00;32;08;07
they can’t see her.

00;32;08;07 – 00;32;10;20
They can like,
maybe see a top of her head.

00;32;10;20 – 00;32;14;24
they all got quiet and they’re like,
are you really a witch?

00;32;15;07 – 00;32;16;22
And she said something.

00;32;16;22 – 00;32;18;16
I can’t remember what my dad said

00;32;18;16 – 00;32;22;08
something along the lines of like,
So what if I am basically okay?

00;32;22;10 – 00;32;25;10
She’s like,
you know or people talk or whatever.

00;32;25;12 – 00;32;28;20
And then they were like, Well,
why don’t you come down here

00;32;28;27 – 00;32;32;06
and we can talk about it
And she was up there

00;32;32;06 – 00;32;35;07
and right away she goes, I’m
not coming down there to move that broom.

00;32;35;21 – 00;32;39;09
And she like, There’s no way
that she could see, like through a window

00;32;39;09 – 00;32;44;00
even you can’t see because it’s
yeah, it’s so steep you can’t see.

00;32;44;00 – 00;32;45;11
And it was just a dirt road.

00;32;45;11 – 00;32;48;00
It wasn’t like a sidewalk.
It was a dirt road.

00;32;48;00 – 00;32;52;24
She lived like backwoods,
you know, and not no neighbors either.

00;32;52;24 – 00;32;55;24
It’s like she had, like,
probably two acres of land.

00;32;55;25 – 00;32;56;04
Yeah.

00;32;56;04 – 00;32;59;14
So they walk that two acres
because they only walk, like for blocks.

00;32;59;16 – 00;33;03;19
She, she had land, you know, yeah,
she could not see that thing

00;33;03;19 – 00;33;08;07
and she just right away
I was like, I will save that for a sec.

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And they, they ran.

00;33;10;01 – 00;33;14;01
They were so scared, you know,
they were just frightened after that.

00;33;14;10 – 00;33;19;04
that was just like the first proof
of that lady being a witch. Yes.

00;33;19;04 – 00;33;24;26
And also, you know, it’s just my great
grandmother, my dad’s granny.

00;33;24;27 – 00;33;28;28
You know she they were very Christian,
but they didn’t they belonged.

00;33;29;03 – 00;33;31;08
They thought it was all whoha.
You know. They thought it was all

00;33;31;08 – 00;33;32;29
baloney. Baloney.

00;33;32;29 – 00;33;35;18
that really prove something
because there was no way

00;33;35;18 – 00;33;36;23
she could have known that.

00;33;36;23 – 00;33;42;08
Yeah, she was a you know, there was
no even looking out any kind of window.

00;33;42;08 – 00;33;45;08
She was an outside.
She was inside and yeah,

00;33;45;13 – 00;33;48;13
Do you want to tell our listeners

00;33;48;19 – 00;33;51;26
how many EHHs you rate?

00;33;52;12 – 00;33;54;04
Grace Sherwood?

00;33;54;04 – 00;33;56;14
So, Grace Sherwood,

00;33;56;14 – 00;34;01;13
I don’t believe there’s a lot of haunting
that has been done.

00;34;02;07 – 00;34;04;27
So therefore it’s not too much.

00;34;04;27 – 00;34;09;05
So therefore with the
story, it’s very interesting.

00;34;10;07 – 00;34;11;10
I probably give it

00;34;11;10 – 00;34;15;23
like four EEHs for the scare factor
four EEhs, but

00;34;15;23 – 00;34;21;17
six EHHS for learning your information
about powerful women.

00;34;21;17 – 00;34;23;13
Yeah, love that. Absolutely.

00;34;23;13 – 00;34;28;05
Seis EHHs for the pod
four EHHs for Miss Grace Sherwood.

00;34;28;11 – 00;34;29;01
Absolutely.

00;34;29;01 – 00;34;32;05
And her story is Grace
is this If he had been scarier,

00;34;32;05 – 00;34;35;05
you know, like maybe there’s a story
about you scratching with somebody

00;34;35;05 – 00;34;39;26
or whispers money’s ear,
then it would be a little scarier.

00;34;39;26 – 00;34;43;00
But there’s not much recollection of you,
which is sad.

00;34;43;00 – 00;34;48;06
You should come and maybe,
maybe haunt the statue

00;34;48;07 – 00;34;52;26
This is why your family has stuff going on you’re,
just inviting spirits to come.

00;34;54;10 – 00;34;58;27
I just want all of them to feel seen
and heard, even in the afterlife.

00;34;59;13 – 00;35;01;28
Well, hopefully the podcast

00;35;01;28 – 00;35;04;23
gives her a legacy,
and that’s how she’s seen in heard.

00;35;04;23 – 00;35;06;03
Yeah. Yeah.

00;35;06;03 – 00;35;08;05
But you actually didn’t have a bad life
babe.

00;35;08;05 – 00;35;09;05
I mean, she really didn’t.

00;35;09;05 – 00;35;12;04
She lived to 80 and she didn’t get maimed.

00;35;12;04 – 00;35;17;13
She gets any limbs cut off,
she’d get burnt.

00;35;17;15 – 00;35;21;04
You know, they dunked her under water
and I mean what

00;35;21;04 – 00;35;24;20
woman haven’t been through that
And that’s what she did

00;35;24;20 – 00;35;28;29
suffer some injustices
but. who didn’t as a lady.

00;35;29;10 – 00;35;32;17
no. I mean, she had to pay for a lot,
but she still had her land.

00;35;32;17 – 00;35;33;14
She never lost it.

00;35;33;14 – 00;35;36;02
Apparently. So, yeah. I mean,

00;35;37;01 – 00;35;38;01
as far as.

00;35;38;01 – 00;35;40;28
I mean,
yeah, she didn’t have the worst story.

00;35;40;28 – 00;35;42;00
And honestly,

00;35;42;00 – 00;35;45;17
if she didn’t have that land,
none of this probably would have happened.

00;35;45;17 – 00;35;48;16
Or so she paid the consequences.

00;35;48;16 – 00;35;49;12
You’re right.

00;35;49;12 – 00;35;51;01
She being a strong ass.

00;35;51;01 – 00;35;54;12
Yeah, but next time.

00;35;54;12 – 00;35;57;12
But with me is with a story that is

00;35;57;25 – 00;36;00;26
decrepit depraved.

00;36;00;26 – 00;36;03;28
Are you challenging me?

00;36;03;28 – 00;36;06;17
I am challenging because to bring me that.

00;36;06;17 – 00;36;08;09
Good, good, good.

00;36;08;09 – 00;36;10;10
Thank you for coming so much.

00;36;10;10 – 00;36;14;19
And tune in next time for EEH!

00;36;16;04 – 00;36;18;05
Hey, thanks for having me.

00;36;18;05 – 00;36;19;02
Love you.

00;36;19;02 – 00;36;19;29
Bye. Love you.

00;36;19;29 – 00;36;22;29
Long time, baby. No.

00;36;23;09 – 00;36;28;18
[ Song “Elisha’s Eerie History” by Sydney followed by drum break.]